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happy Saturday people we going deep

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today with our homie from the United

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Kingdom Nathan what's going on I'm your

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host DJ welcome to calling all beings

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Saturday edition where we will endeavor

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to bring on brothers and sisters not

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only from the UK but people who are from

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a time zone forward of uh of the United

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States to where we can make it

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accessible for them this was Nathan's

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idea and we're gonna try to we're going

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to try to do it at least once a month if

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not more so without further Ado there he

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is with a great haircut

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with a great beard a man who I want to

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be more like in 2023 money Nathan I also

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want to be more like me in 2023 that

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sounds like a good goal uh yeah happy

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Saturday I you know I love this idea

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because we get a chance to speak to

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folks that aren't in our time zone that

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are in different places in the world and

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not only to speak with them but they can

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also jump in and help us co-host and

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have interviews and all that kind of fun

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stuff so the more the Mary that's what

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we're all about here and calling all

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beings that's right Deb and we got to

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you you I'm sorry I didn't bring the

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microphone back Debs we've got a UK

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cabbie now right we got Franklin my man

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right we we have a huge UK family we got

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so many people cousins sisters siblings

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we we do we do and that that voice that

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you hear that smooth the silk voice that

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voice that wants to to you to lay back

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in that chair like you know have a cup

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of Ness Cafe with some sort of oat milk

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in there and and talk about what your

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problems is that is a study of UAP Debs

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the host of Deb's data Dojo how you

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doing girlfriend

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I'm doing great you want to hear a funny

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story though I did not make coffee today

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I accidentally made hot cocoa so I'm

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getting chocolate today

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amazing Hollywood a little some hot

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cocoa baby give us some and let me tell

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you man let me tell you who's in the

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chat right now we got a superstar of of

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the whole of the UFO Universe on Earth

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and that is none other than Miss Linda

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Thompson somebody I admire she's hanging

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out with her home girl who don't

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introduce me Julie Farrell our uh

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masters of the chat and of course my man

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another guy we endeavored look at the

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fire Nathan's got the fire going in the

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background he doesn't need any kindling

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he just goes

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do some like Bewitched type stuff and it

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just goes on fire uh Davey Johnson is

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here the host of shifting gears and a

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soon I'll tell you what I don't want to

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say soon to be anymore David I want to

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hear a starting date for this damn thing

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let's go

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uh

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but without further Ado we bout to bring

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in the hostess with the mostest okay she

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is a super energetic individual she is

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uh she's an empath she's a person who

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knows about the world of some white

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witchery and some stuff like that UFOs

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she got a pad down in Wales where she

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goes down and flip her collar up looking

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like she's in a J crew ad uh

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Jesus cools the other side of the pillow

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put your hands together

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for liver pools oh miss Hollywood

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hey

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hello everybody

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you know Holly

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you know you're really shy you're really

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reserved you're really introverted

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Nathan and I decided today we talked

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privately and said we're going to try to

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draw Holly out we're going to try to

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bring her out of her shell it's not easy

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yeah

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it's gonna be tough what are we gonna do

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yeah she's like my Shell's been gone for

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that

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for 35 years my Shell's been gone so I'm

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very quiet very very very very shy so

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guys I don't know what we're gonna do

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for the next however long but we'll get

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through it together we will we'll

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and do and you know do as and you said

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you were going to do as much Liverpool

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accent as possible you're gonna ham it

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up much like my wife does for me

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I shall I think you've got a slight

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obsession with my uh dad Impressions so

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we may

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drop one or two in yes and suffix you

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know some of your sentences with the

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word kid for no apparent reason okay

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law we we can do it all we are

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multifaceted DJ kid all right by the way

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if you guys are wondering about this

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headgear this was a Christmas present

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that uh Deb was kind enough to give

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Nathan and I uh you know like I felt

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like such a loser with my Christmas gift

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after seeing the amazing gifts that Deb

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gave us at the uh anomalous Symposium in

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New York uh forgive me inquiry into the

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anomalous in Nueva York with uh James

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iandoli and J JC King and by the way

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James has helped us get some some

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Heavies man that are booked on the show

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Dr Jeff cripples coming up Holly and uh

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Sean s Bjorn hargens who is apparently

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at least half Viking and maybe half

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Irish sorry what now

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exactly does he have a wife

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she really leaned in on that one yeah

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I had Irish hiking

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I know right he was at that last

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Symposium he spoke at that one and and

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uh and he's he's really fascinating guy

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so we're PR and Anan ET is in the house

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what's up Holmes uh John Chapman looking

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good Holly great ears yeah uh I'll tell

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you what Holly is uh you know what I

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mean should we do it you ready go ahead

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I've had so much fun with these

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they're incredible I'm 37.

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37 years old

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minutes it seems like with these bad

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boys on

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[Laughter]

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all right

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um I wanted to we wanted to interview a

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little bit before we get into the

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fireside chat whereby Nathan's gonna

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have to leave a little bit early today

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so he's gonna uh once we get into the

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Fireside portion this he'll go first I

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don't see Leah prime time I don't know

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where Prime time's at so Nathan if you

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would uh go ahead with the interview

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portion of this business and I will text

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prime time

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yeah let's jump right into it and the

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good news is actually don't leave early

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today my plans have changed so

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everything is good here's the whole

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thing yeah so Holly uh I love everything

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you're about I love the ears and I love

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everything you're doing uh but I want to

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jump into something that that I know

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very little about even though I've been

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there what's the you can speak more to

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the kind of Welsh connection to the

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phenomena what is it about whales the

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people the country there seems to be a

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lot of activity in that area what uh

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I have a family farm in North Wales and

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um although we're not Welsh Welsh

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um you know we've resided there for a

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long time and I said I grew up

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um just outside of Liverpool in a place

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called The Wirral which kind of borders

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onto North Wales and for me

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North what Wales the places out there

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the places I've been there's a there's

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there's a mysticism about those Welsh

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Hills there's this kind of you can feel

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the magic through the Rolling Hills of

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snowdonia the legends of of the Dragons

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still is prevalent the the mysteries of

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the Welsh gold that still Tinkles

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through the rivers and there's that you

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know how there's that sort of Celtic

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vibe in in Ireland and in Scotland Wales

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has a for me has a bit more of a theme

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feminine

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energy to it

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um and it it is a hot spot of activity

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um for them whoever they may be and

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um there's quite a few heists

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um and C5 groups and that I'm certainly

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involved with

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um North Wales and in the South there's

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a there's a massive UFO Network down in

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the south of Wales but it's still one of

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the United Kingdoms

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green places you have the Rolling Hills

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you have the the North Sea well not the

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north side Jesus Christ where am I you

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have the Irish sea and it

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still just a place of magic and myth and

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you can feel it in to me I think that

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all knits together to paint this

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esoteric type feeling and Vibe and I I

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feel definitely when I'm in the marsh

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Hills there's just just magic yeah no I

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agree I've been to the Brecken beacons

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uh and it's absolutely beautiful and

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just as you said the the place feels

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a little bit here and there there's a

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thinness between the Realms in a way

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there's very Fantastical I've never seen

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green like I've seen green and whales

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it's incredibly Rich uh vibrant so if

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you haven't had a chance to go folks uh

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check it out but and there are a lot of

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a lot of active groups there as you said

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so how often are are groups kind of

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getting together and and doing Heist

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activities

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there's still some unknown groups

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there's it's

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um the thesis in Wales that are quite

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I'm trying to be very diplomatic because

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I don't want to get my Welsh badge taken

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off me but this yeah be careful

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sorry I've just called you you're all

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dirty pigs in Welsh

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I don't know what she said I have my

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phaser right here I can no I'm just

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kidding it's this we um I'll reiterate

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the story we we went with a group from

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Liverpool and in the north west that I

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helped coordinate and we drove to the

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the kind of

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Hills slash Moors of a place called

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Denby and this very famous the Denby

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lights people know about that that case

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so we we packed ourselves up and we all

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ran off to the hills and when I say it

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biblically range we were short of Noah

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coming along On and On

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we saw no we saw no

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um lights and we didn't experience

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anything but what we did experience was

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the change in weather was so Dynamic and

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so quick that you know at one point The

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Mists rolled in and it really speaks to

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what you said that Nathan that there's a

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kind of you're walking between between

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two times and you're walking through

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history but the present in

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um you know Wales is just a beautiful

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beautiful place in

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um everyone should experience a bit of

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time in them Hills certainly there's all

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this old um tales of the pigs I think I

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I ever get it right of the small people

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of the hills which were often mistaken

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for perhaps Faye or Little P people

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um and you know I've I've had

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experiences

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um in Anglesey where we had we heard the

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pattern of feet and the sound of voices

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and we've seen a string of Light Pop Up

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by the side of this beautiful oak tree

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and there's nobody there so there's

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magic there for sure amazing and there's

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a lot of consonants in Wales are the

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vowels uh somewhere else where did the

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vowels go

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um I'm not sure but really I'll do my

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best in day two ped web him now

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any Welsh people don't shoot me but I

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think that was ten amazing thank you

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rock man but that's what scousers have I

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think in our accent because Welsh they

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have the and that carries over to kind

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of where I'm from and just for for DJ

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kind of Coke

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[Laughter]

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yeah I I have a lot of Jewish Family

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that speaks like that when they speak

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Yiddish so uh anyway

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um for those I mean we we have the

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benefit of having somebody here from the

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United Kingdom that's that's well

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traveled and so for our American

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audience can you give us a sentence on

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you know you you just gave us a whales

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you gave us some sentences on that can

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you give us a sentence on Scotland in a

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sentence on Ireland

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me you yeah you really know it I mean we

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you know we know what we've read about

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it or you know went on vacation Maybe

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for me

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island is the

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to the green it's the land of

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magic in in oh it's just a beautiful

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place but it's like the Emerald Isle so

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for me when I go back to to Ireland

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there's always a there's always a warm

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hug and a warm tradition and there's

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always a openness of heart in Ireland I

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spent time hitchhiking around the south

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coast of Ireland many years ago and I

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didn't have any money uh you know I had

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a couple of quids and I was welcomed by

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all of these beautiful little Irish nuns

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that just wanted to feed me a soda bread

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and and make sure I'd gone to mass and

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I'd set my prayers and you know the

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mysticism of Catholicism is still very

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has its own tradition in Ireland and I

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think I haven't actually spent too much

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time in Scotland and the times I have

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spent there I um went to find Nessie

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turns out she's really really really

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hard to find but for me Scotland has its

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um

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Scotland feels very male in its energy

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for me I've I spent some time up in a

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place called Colony Stone Circle up

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there and

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um I had a house experience in the in

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that Circle so there's magic across our

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Fire Kingdom and that's what makes

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England so beautiful you can drive four

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hours and you can be transported to

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another time another place you can walk

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through you can walk with history and I

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think that's what's so beautiful about

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Britain is that you can walk the path of

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the Celtics you can walk the path with

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the Vikings you can you can find

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yourself in a rolling mistful castle and

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and hear the traditions of old and I've

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spent a lot of time with some Druid

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orders in in the South and you know

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there's just magic if you just scratch

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beneath the surface there's magic

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everywhere so yeah come to England

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come it's uh well you have two people

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here that it's like I mean Deb's been

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overseas as well I don't know I know

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she's been Germany and uh I don't know

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about England she's going to tell you

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here in a second but Nathan I love both

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love England I mean I just infatuated

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with the place frankly

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um Debs go ahead my friend I have been

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to Egypt and Germany and Italy and a few

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other places Pompeii gets that sensation

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of walking back in time too but I have

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not gotten to go to England just yet I

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was in the airport for France though I

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I I wanted to ask if I can about a

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recent publication I saw referring to

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the women of ufology

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um if you could just tell people about

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the future of publication talking about

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um a young lady who does ce5 and um

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yeah but can you talk people about it

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was Hollywood well

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I didn't see that coming

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he's so funny Nate that

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um what was the question talking about

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C5 in the UK yeah the article that yeah

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yeah so um it was it was a research from

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last year we um I've worked in public

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relations for most of my life and I kind

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of noticed that

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sometimes the Press isn't so kind to

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those of us who are into UFOs or those

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of us certainly who stand in fields

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trying to make contact with them

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um so I was approached by The Daily Mail

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and it was around about the same time

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that our wonderful mates over at UAP

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media releasing all the coal Vine stuff

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um so there was an air of kindness

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um about those of us that are in this

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community and you know we're in this

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topic so they reached out to me and we

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did an article

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um and they they they were really quite

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cool and kind and they they publicized

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my involvement in the C5 and Heist

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Community here in the UK but they also

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wanted to highlight females sisters

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doing it because more often than not

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sorry chaps you know it can be quite

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male dominated

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um and they really wanted to put the

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spotlight on you know female UFO

402
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researchers

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um they initially wanted to call us

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hunters and I was like absolutely not

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negative connotation and they were just

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really cool

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um and we you know I've established a

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really quite good relationship with that

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journalist and actually

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God I can't hold my own water

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um something if you have to go to the

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bathroom go ahead

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something will be coming soon

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um a bit of a follow-up I believe

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um because I broke my leg so I was

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unable to do a follow-up with them but

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um I have invited and extended the

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invitation for them to come and join us

419
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in the field at one of our high sessions

420
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which

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really putting it out there aren't we

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but um yeah

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we shall see but it was a great article

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very very very blessed that they took

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the interest in ultimately what what

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that article did is it opened a lot of

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conversations for me and it opened a lot

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of

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um people came forward people who would

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necessarily speak up you know I'm very

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secure in my job I'm very secure in my

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life you know I I have had contact with

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them I'm happy to talk about that until

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the cows come home but some people

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aren't and that article

436
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um

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inspires a bit of confidence in some

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people that wouldn't have come forward

439
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and that some of those people I'm really

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lucky to call friends now and colleagues

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within this topic so it did some good

442
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which I'm all about doing good where you

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can

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does that mean that when the cows come

445
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home you have to stop talking about it

446
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because you said you'll talk about it

447
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until they come home then whatever they

448
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come home and then um we we take a

449
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scheduled break and then we turn the

450
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but there's no lasers and cattle

451
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mutilation like you're not cutting out

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like no okay no it's good all right um

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can you describe yourself Holly could

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you for the audience just explain who

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who you see yourself as

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who do I see myself out I'm a mom I'm a

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friend

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I'm as mad as a box of France really I'm

459
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he'll yeah I've had these rumors these

460
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vicious rumors

461
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um I'm curious about the Unseen

462
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I was brought up in a very esoteric way

463
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my mother was a very well-known Mystic

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in White Witch so my um

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my kind of

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shimmy into this world

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um has been from a child and I think I

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toe the line between mischief and

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curiosity quite well

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um and you know I'm a big believer in

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together we can and as we explore the

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mysteries of this world that's

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unraveling around us in in this topic in

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this phenomena I believe that my part to

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play is creating conversation around it

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and

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you know no disrespect to our American

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brothers and cousins I've there's been a

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lot from America and where where are the

480
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Brits in the conversation so you know

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that's a big passion of mine is wrapping

482
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yeah I can't represent everyone

483
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especially with this accent but if I can

484
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create your kitchen do you think was it

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scouting

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you know you know like like people like

487
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yourself and Priscilla I mean you guys

488
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are birds of a feather you know they're

489
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that's what the topic does is it bring

490
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yeah I just I just was chat uh she just

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sent me a text and I was like you know

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you can join us if you want to and she's

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like cleaning right now but she she just

494
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does appreciate the invitation

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um but anyway it brings people together

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around a common topic and um there's a

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lot obviously they can be accomplished

498
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by by this as as you can see by what's

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happened here you know

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for sure and

501
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as as I walk through this topic and this

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phenomenon in in you know I have my

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experiences there's not a day that goes

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by that I don't feel so lucky that

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although we don't know everything we may

506
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never know everything but we get to

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uncover this whole subject that is

508
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bigger than all of us it's bigger than

509
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anything we can ever dream of this is

510
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huge this is this is this is for me the

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most pressing issue of the day and how

512
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lucky am I that I'm in a situation where

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I get to have these conversations and

514
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perhaps bring the conversation forward

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and and certainly represent some of our

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great authors some of our great

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researchers you know create conversation

518
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for the Brits so I'm certainly flying

519
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the the Brit flag quite a lot at the

520
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moment which is great

521
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yeah I just want to say one thing before

522
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I pass it to Nathan uh when you look at

523
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this Roswell uh Symposium that's coming

524
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up look who they've asked to come and

525
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speak at that I believe Vinnie speaking

526
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Graham is speaking who's the other

527
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person is it Dan I don't know I'm not

528
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sure it's definitely Finney and Graham

529
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yeah so yeah that tells you that it's

530
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not your accent doesn't matter and all

531
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that it's just people people gravitate

532
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to what you say in your authenticity and

533
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it doesn't really matter what the filter

534
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is that that goes through in terms of

535
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how you sound you know absolutely I was

536
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,679
so thrilled and I'm so proud to to call

537
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on my friends I'm so proud to pull up my

538
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colleagues because you know we we have

539
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become one Global Community

540
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um next stop Australia

541
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I'm just trying to blog a free holiday

542
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to Australia that's all

543
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go ahead money

544
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well I just want to Echo uh something

545
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that you know you just said that you

546
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,200
know the way I was I got a chance to

547
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:14,880
listen to your Joseph Burke's Twitter

548
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:17,400
space and it was excellent of course

549
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,020
he's amazing

550
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,120
um but one of the reasons why it was

551
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:23,280
also very good is just the way that you

552
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,179
make space for everyone and

553
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,980
um it's it's obvious it's wonderful it's

554
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:31,200
refreshing and you're one of those

555
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:32,820
voices in the community that is working

556
00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:35,460
hard at least as far as I can tell to to

557
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:38,120
Foster these connections relationships

558
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,100
constructive conversation uh where does

559
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,380
that come from I mean what's the impetus

560
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:49,789
good question good question

561
00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:55,190
I

562
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,620
come from a family where you received

563
00:24:02,810 --> 00:23:59,760
and not heard

564
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,820
I come from an environment where

565
00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:04,380
probably without getting too deep

566
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:05,640
because you know it's not a therapy

567
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:06,900
session

568
00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:09,419
um but Deb can take you in through

569
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:10,520
therapy

570
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:13,860
she's very cheaper that's not she's a

571
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,940
good time I just cash out

572
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,720
um

573
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:21,720
and I I got into PR when I was about

574
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,780
1920 and I just

575
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,820
you know and many things in life I'm

576
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,220
forgetful I'm ridiculous I'm very

577
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,159
mischievous I I you know I'm as textbook

578
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,760
as ADHD as you can get but I have a way

579
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:38,460
of having conversations with people and

580
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,380
for some reason people like to speak to

581
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:43,200
me and when I get involved in the sort

582
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,940
of house community

583
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:47,159
and some some time ago

584
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:49,620
I felt that there was so many quiet

585
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:52,440
conversations happening and I just said

586
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,559
you know with one of my skill sets is to

587
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,840
be loud and proud about what we're doing

588
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:00,720
and put them put people together

589
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:03,720
why why wouldn't I so I've been you know

590
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,700
I've been so lucky that I've been able

591
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,380
to draw on my professional background

592
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,720
here to put people together in

593
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,120
unfortunately

594
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:14,159
um because I'm Northern or fortunately

595
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,500
I'm Northern English but not very good

596
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,720
with the word no it just means not yet

597
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:21,840
so I'm quite um Relentless in my

598
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:24,120
approach to to create conversations and

599
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:26,820
what's been so interesting to me is I

600
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:29,700
worked um with with people in the public

601
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:32,820
eye previously in my career so you know

602
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:36,419
I'm not that uh shy and retiring and

603
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,980
just saying hey

604
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:40,320
would you you know the worse somebody to

605
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,299
say is you know thank you all right

606
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:45,000
we'll move on to the next person

607
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:46,860
um but the conversation with Dr Joseph

608
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:50,220
Burke what a guy like is the daddy of

609
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,460
heist and I was introduced to him very

610
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,500
quickly when I when I joined the kind of

611
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:58,260
UK scene and he's just a phenomenal

612
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,500
person and actually uh we spoke a couple

613
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,059
of days ago and we will be doing another

614
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,480
space real soon so I'll um yeah a bit

615
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:08,580
more on that coming soon but yeah he's

616
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,460
great but if I can create dialogue and I

617
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:13,380
can create a space for people who were

618
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:16,980
curious to explore that Curiosity I

619
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,260
think that's my purpose so I like to

620
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:21,299
live within my purpose and I can't shut

621
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:23,539
up clearly

622
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:27,299
what was that and I'm just kidding debsy

623
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:29,400
oh you know what uh do you guys wanna

624
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:32,279
start the round well actually if you

625
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,720
have more if you have another question

626
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:36,299
for just Holly about her Debs please

627
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,740
fire away and then whenever you guys are

628
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,900
ready we'll start the uh the round table

629
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,760
where we'll bring our topics to the four

630
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,279
yeah just um one more question I was

631
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,500
wondering if you would mind sharing some

632
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,480
of your experiences

633
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:50,940
wow

634
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:53,700
hold on to your underpants

635
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:58,140
um my I've had many experiences

636
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,940
um some

637
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,159
beautiful ones

638
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,200
um I've had one that was quite startling

639
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,140
not scary but startling and made me

640
00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:09,779
really question my world view but um my

641
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,059
first experience was um Dan and

642
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:14,340
Wiltshire a beautiful beautiful magical

643
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:17,820
spot by Stonehenge and that should be

644
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,520
tour and Avery kind of within the

645
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,100
vicinity or sacred sites that are on um

646
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:25,320
Ley lines here in the UK

647
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,039
um I've seen a bright burning orange Sun

648
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,919
as I described it as a small child it

649
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,020
was an orange orb

650
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,299
um you know moving throughout my my

651
00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:39,000
childhood these orbs have appeared to me

652
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,820
many many many times and because my mum

653
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,500
was all a bit magical I thought everyone

654
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:45,900
had that didn't you know I just thought

655
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,500
it was quite normal and more recently

656
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:52,260
when I broke my leg and I was very very

657
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,179
poorly in hospital

658
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,940
um in a high dependent unit I'd sort of

659
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,860
became quite depressed given the

660
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,840
situation I was in and those orbs

661
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:03,240
appeared to me again outside of the

662
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,919
hospital

663
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:06,779
um so for me that was a strong

664
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:11,159
confirmation that I have some link with

665
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:15,059
them and it sounds nuts I get that

666
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:18,539
um but you know those orbs or balls of

667
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,000
small light very very orange but very

668
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:23,580
bright orange have have come to me

669
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:26,520
during traumatic periods of my life when

670
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,460
my mother died by seeing them

671
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:31,559
um happy times in my life when I had my

672
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,260
son I see something caught my eye

673
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,760
outside

674
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,559
um so they've been my my predominant

675
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:40,500
experiences on a personal level on a

676
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:44,580
sort of C5 Heist level we've had

677
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:48,840
some epic epic things happen

678
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,419
um we we have access to

679
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:53,640
um excuse me we have access to some land

680
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:56,580
in the near a place called Blackpool

681
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:58,860
um in Northwest England

682
00:29:05,289 --> 00:29:02,220
um and this Farm is a hive of Paranormal

683
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:05,299
Activity strange lights

684
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,520
craft delivery drivers will no longer

685
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,039
drop Parcels off anymore that one of the

686
00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:13,559
drivers had to pull over and have a

687
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,080
stiff Brandy because he couldn't

688
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:18,240
comprehend these these lights and energy

689
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:19,980
balls whooshing at the front of his

690
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:22,919
vehicle so we spent some time up there

691
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:26,520
last summer and independently two Crews

692
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:30,419
of of Our Gang of our of our team

693
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:34,020
um saw the same manifestation of a craft

694
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:36,980
with a sort of iridescent

695
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:39,779
shimmering like bubble like you know

696
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,940
when kids blow bubbles like that around

697
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,640
it and we'd seen it independently from

698
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:47,580
two Vantage points so um we've

699
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:51,539
experienced some wild things we've um we

700
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:52,919
captured

701
00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:55,620
what looks like an energy ball that

702
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,179
forms into a kind of human looking face

703
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:02,880
on camera so we've had some the lights

704
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,460
have danced before us and you know very

705
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:07,679
typical things if you're into C5 those

706
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,179
have happened

707
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,760
um so I've got a really wide wide range

708
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:13,500
of experiences that have happened to me

709
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:15,659
but the more personal ones have always

710
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,059
happened for a reason I believe and I

711
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,299
believe that's what drives my curiosity

712
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,580
more into this topic

713
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:25,520
hmm

714
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:28,679
you know the David Pilates movie Holly

715
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:31,500
uh the latest one that I think he's

716
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,059
attributing uh a certain amount of the

717
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,419
missing persons to UFO Abduction and

718
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,799
that's something over the last six

719
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,440
months particularly

720
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,120
proceeding and subsequent to our Jim

721
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,279
semivan interview resonates with me more

722
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:49,799
and more and you know what I actually

723
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,659
this question I want to go around the

724
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:53,640
table here even though it's not

725
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,380
technically wasn't my Roundtable

726
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:57,960
question but

727
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,840
um I think I I think that is that is

728
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,820
plausible what are you what are your

729
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,620
your feelings about that do you think

730
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:06,240
that there is a certain number of people

731
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,620
who have been abducted and not come back

732
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:13,080
I am

733
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:15,899
this whole abduction part of the

734
00:31:20,409 --> 00:31:19,440
phenomenon is always terrified me

735
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:20,419
um

736
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,240
unbelievably terrified me I I get very

737
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:26,760
triggered by this topic and I don't know

738
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:29,520
why and it's something I started to

739
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,279
question well why am I so triggered you

740
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,679
know what is something happened about

741
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,020
you know why does this do this to me and

742
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:39,960
I watched that um I watched that that

743
00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:42,260
documentary and

744
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:44,419
it it

745
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:48,240
I left watching it posing lots of

746
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:51,240
questions to myself and I think people

747
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,740
are going

748
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,419
and

749
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:55,980
it it's

750
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:58,200
it's part of the phenomenon that gives

751
00:32:03,049 --> 00:31:59,700
me the chills

752
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,059
because the experiences I have and have

753
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:05,460
had you know what one's been startling

754
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:07,380
but it was more trickstery it was more

755
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,260
kind of no no no no than scary

756
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:13,260
but that part of this element of the

757
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,340
phenomenon it gives me chills because

758
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,380
I don't like it people shouldn't be

759
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:22,799
being taken why are they being taken and

760
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:25,740
it it starts it it started to play with

761
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,159
my my world view or my parents my my

762
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,679
view on this whole thing and it's

763
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,140
something I want to know more about but

764
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:36,240
I find it quite scary if I'm if the

765
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,279
truth be told I think people are being

766
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,840
taken and me

767
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,000
but why

768
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,980
well you know what's funny is that

769
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,840
question started off as I was going to

770
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,600
ask you about when that man I believe he

771
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:51,600
was hunting and he saw a cube appear on

772
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:52,520
the ground

773
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:55,260
uh and it was sort of clear but he could

774
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,020
see the outline of a cube and I believe

775
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,120
he he was abducted and then came back

776
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,700
but uh and it morphed into the abduction

777
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:04,500
question so Nathan if if you would

778
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,700
please weigh in on that yeah I am

779
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,980
I I mean I think I

780
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,779
mean Holly I think you hit it really

781
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,640
well I I struggle with this because it

782
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,620
is very disturbing and there's we don't

783
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:18,840
want to consider that that is taking

784
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,720
place because it it's hard to wrestle

785
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:23,580
with with that notion

786
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,220
um we want to feel

787
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,159
some degree of of control uh safety in

788
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:31,980
our own homes uh it's happening to a lot

789
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,340
of children reportedly and that is just

790
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:37,260
absolutely horrible

791
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,340
um

792
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,100
so I take it very seriously

793
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:43,320
um you know I I believe people who have

794
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:46,200
said that that it's happened to them

795
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,909
you know why they would do it you know

796
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:54,480
we could we could probably Levy the same

797
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,500
sort of

798
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:57,419
questions to

799
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,880
you know human beings that take other

800
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:02,880
creatures out of their habitats and do

801
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,880
things with them uh we don't really

802
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,679
question that very much and oftentimes

803
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,480
we say that that's the very good thing

804
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:11,280
that we do that you know we're

805
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,980
taking care of a creature helping you

806
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,780
know heal it or returning it to its

807
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,339
habitat in a better State than we found

808
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,720
at least that's what we tell ourselves

809
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,820
and for the creature itself it could be

810
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,440
quite traumatic even if they are better

811
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,720
off than they were before they may still

812
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:26,399
have a trauma around the entire

813
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:28,859
experience even if biologically you know

814
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:32,220
they're healthier as a result of it so

815
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:32,760
um

816
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:36,119
and I think we have to from for me

817
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,520
you know take it seriously but also

818
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:41,460
wrestle it should confront us with the

819
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:43,080
things that we do

820
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:47,399
in our own world with with our power and

821
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,800
and and and should confess and asking

822
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,379
you know what is okay for us to do and

823
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:54,119
if it's okay for us to do this why would

824
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,760
it not be okay for other beings that are

825
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,760
you know have a higher perspective

826
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:01,320
um and I'm just using that word broadly

827
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,140
a bigger perspective than we do about

828
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,500
what's taking place uh they and may have

829
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:09,720
a good intention behind it now they may

830
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,220
not and I think some of them don't I

831
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,380
think some of them quite frankly uh from

832
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,940
everything that we've heard or are not

833
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,320
doing this with a good intention they're

834
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,599
doing it just to mess with us

835
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:21,359
um and and may take some degree of you

836
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:23,400
know pleasure or satisfaction out of

837
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,800
that just like some humans would do that

838
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:28,079
right they would take pleasure out of

839
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:30,359
harming another creature just because it

840
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,859
makes them feel powerful

841
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,060
yes

842
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,000
it's um I I I was gonna say I I tell

843
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,040
people I've seen kids over at the beach

844
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:40,020
where I go do my swim training and

845
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,700
they're hauling some jellyfish out of

846
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:43,380
the go hey Mom look at this with their

847
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,300
net and I'm like dude you're taking that

848
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,300
out of its home like that like it

849
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,400
belongs in the water like you don't take

850
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,800
that and stick it in a bucket on the

851
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,240
beach it would be like someone taking

852
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:56,700
you out of your home and and it's okay

853
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:59,220
yeah I mean why shouldn't someone just

854
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:01,079
take it of course it's not right you

855
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,460
know if you want to take a look at it

856
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,680
and put it back in the water fine but if

857
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,079
you're putting in a bucket on the beach

858
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:09,300
you've removed it like you said from its

859
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,740
habitat there's a reason that's why I

860
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:12,240
don't have fish in my house this is

861
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,740
exactly that reason

862
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,300
Debs

863
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:17,880
um to get back to kind of like the

864
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,119
center of the question Debs do you think

865
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,000
that there are

866
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,160
people that are being taken and not

867
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,260
coming back so what turns into

868
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,119
kidnapping where they're returned and

869
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,460
Rick Doty tells that story that happened

870
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:34,920
out I don't know if it was Nellis or one

871
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,339
of those bases in Nevada uh where uh the

872
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,099
couple got their children back their son

873
00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,440
and daughters several hours later on a

874
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,720
road outside in Ellis but what it

875
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,960
becomes murder from our perspective if

876
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:51,540
they leave and don't come back and Terry

877
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:53,820
Loveless has a chilling story about that

878
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:56,460
what's your take on that Debs are people

879
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,400
being taken and not coming back

880
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:01,800
um yes they are

881
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:05,099
um and the the reasons for being taken

882
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:07,320
are complicated and vast especially

883
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,240
because it seems to be more than one

884
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,460
group involved

885
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:14,160
um I point out that even if Grays are

886
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,380
being used they may not be all being

887
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,020
used by the same group either

888
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,480
um so there's a lot of complicated

889
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,760
aspects to this including the fact that

890
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,640
sometimes people are consciously being

891
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:29,280
abducted as opposed to physically you

892
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:30,839
know there's some really weird things

893
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:32,099
but

894
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:34,619
to answer your question yes I do think

895
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,380
people are leaving and not coming back

896
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:39,359
we have just a huge number of people

897
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,700
that go missing and

898
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,859
you know it just becomes a statistic to

899
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:46,079
most of us we hardly unless it come

900
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,820
happens to you personally a lot of

901
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,960
people are just like yeah a lot of

902
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:52,079
people go missing and shrug you know

903
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,220
um so

904
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:55,920
I I have to point out though

905
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,160
that the purpose for that we're thinking

906
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,800
about it in human terms of course you

907
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,780
know like this could be

908
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,240
um an attempt to preserve us

909
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:08,640
um because the messaging is often you

910
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,200
know you're killing you're playing it

911
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,720
and I know this kind of goes into like

912
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,720
the the zoo hypothesis a little bit but

913
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:17,700
it's possible that they're just trying

914
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:20,280
to preserve us

915
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,640
wow that's one of them right that I mean

916
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,700
it absolutely could be atopic abductions

917
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:27,960
yeah

918
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:31,859
um I just maintain that when if there's

919
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:34,800
one statistic that you could name any

920
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,320
government on planet Earth of a nation

921
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,720
that they don't want to talk about that

922
00:38:46,329 --> 00:38:42,119
they may have a statistic that they

923
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,339
attribute uh based on

924
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:49,079
various reporting sources this is the

925
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:50,760
the biggest thing they don't want to

926
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:53,820
talk about because you have to think if

927
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:57,180
Hollywood is unnerved by this and she is

928
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,700
deeply embedded in this topic can you

929
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:02,640
imagine a layperson soccer mom who

930
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:04,140
doesn't even know that there's

931
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,900
legislation right now uh how they would

932
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:09,359
be freaked out if they turned on their

933
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,859
news station and heard the government

934
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,200
talk about this it would be

935
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,320
it would it would be terrifying uh even

936
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,020
Wes right uh Nathan when you you know

937
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,119
Wes the host of probably the biggest

938
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:23,520
show Sasquatch Chronicles when you bring

939
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:26,820
up UFOs he freaks out

940
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:29,700
right now he's like he's he uses the

941
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:32,839
word terrifying just talking about UFOs

942
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:36,180
he uses the word terrifying in every

943
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:37,859
instance that I've heard

944
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:41,640
think about that this is a guy who's had

945
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,280
a Bigfoot experience and has heard he

946
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:46,680
has over 900 episodes of Bigfoot

947
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:49,320
encounters but the thought of UFOs

948
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:52,619
terrifies him because he looks at life I

949
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:55,079
I shouldn't say because it could be part

950
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,000
of it because he looks at Life Through

951
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,400
the Bible and this doesn't fit in his

952
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:02,880
mind I guess you know TJ

953
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:03,720
um

954
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:07,260
what what kind of brought abductions

955
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:11,940
more to my my sphere of control and

956
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,940
influence I won't name them but um a

957
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,560
very dear friend of mine is an author

958
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,480
here in the in in the UK

959
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:20,640
um he's due to release a book about his

960
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,180
experience his former military and we've

961
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,460
become real good friends

962
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:28,380
Michael

963
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:30,359
and um

964
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:33,660
when he described his experienced man I

965
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:35,160
could hear

966
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:36,500
the

967
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,020
unsettled pain confusion

968
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,020
what it's done to his life

969
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,960
that's when I thought you know what as

970
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,540
great as it is me standing in a field

971
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,880
and hey you know let's make contact

972
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,339
less let's meditate there's some real

973
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:56,040
stuff going on here and that's to me

974
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:58,140
when the layer of this phenomena a new

975
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:00,420
layer was added it's like I was doing a

976
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:02,220
video game when you get an extra extra

977
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:05,180
leveled in a leveled into a different

978
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:08,700
space and I think we need to talk about

979
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,460
it more because there are people out

980
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,680
there and I'm contacted very frequently

981
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:15,839
now there's people certainly in the UK

982
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:18,180
they don't have any work because you

983
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:19,140
know you've got the experience in

984
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:20,940
networks you've got European medical

985
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:22,680
Coalition you've got loads of great

986
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,359
people and resources looking after

987
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,880
people in the states we don't have that

988
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,099
much in the UK and there are people

989
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:31,859
coming forward very regularly now saying

990
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,740
I think something happened to me I've

991
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,140
had these marks I've missed time this

992
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:39,240
that and the other you know I've been

993
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:40,740
regressed and you know these terrible

994
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,859
things of it I'm aware of and you know

995
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,380
we were this we have a lot of work to do

996
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:48,720
in the UK to look after people who've

997
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,900
experienced these things and

998
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,280
um you know I think that that's

999
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,440
something that does keep me up at night

1000
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:57,540
worrying that how can we help how can we

1001
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,160
support these people

1002
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,839
scary you can actually you can actually

1003
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:03,119
hook up with uapmd and it won't even

1004
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:04,859
cost you a plane ticket you just have to

1005
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:06,060
email Deb

1006
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:10,680
uh so absolutely so that's one thing

1007
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:13,619
I was I was it was on one of my um to

1008
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:15,240
Do's over the next couple of weeks

1009
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,020
actually

1010
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:19,200
um how how can we help more how can we

1011
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:20,760
help our brothers and sisters here in

1012
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,260
the UK more because

1013
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,320
stuff's happening stuff has happened and

1014
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:27,000
if I'm here to help tell their stories

1015
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,740
we ought to be able to help their their

1016
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,599
soul and their their mental you know

1017
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,820
their mental their state because it's

1018
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:34,260
not great

1019
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:35,940
yeah this is one of the things Deb's

1020
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,540
done that that we're extremely proud of

1021
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:41,040
um at just you know we had nothing

1022
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:42,780
absolutely nothing to do with it but

1023
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:45,240
we're proud of that she's part of our

1024
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,780
our team and that she did it but um I

1025
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:51,000
just want to say this uh there's an

1026
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,619
interesting I want to point everybody to

1027
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:55,440
spaced out radio with Dave Scott who had

1028
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,859
an episode yesterday the day before and

1029
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,960
to talk about connection and how this is

1030
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,700
all connected and and Nate I'm going to

1031
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,319
come to you next Nathan so you could put

1032
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,760
your topic out there but this gentleman

1033
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,520
named Glenn Jackson is a paramedic and

1034
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,980
paramedic instructor near Atlanta he's

1035
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:12,599
from North Georgia

1036
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,180
and his experiences

1037
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:17,160
and I'll send you the Pod Holly it's

1038
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:18,660
going to blow your mind

1039
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:21,420
but not only has he had Bigfoot

1040
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:23,460
experiences and they had an experience

1041
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,099
that Terry Windell told us and Glenn

1042
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,920
Jackson who was present out in the woods

1043
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,319
when this happened that combines a

1044
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,599
portal in the woods

1045
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:35,520
uh when they were looking for bigfoot

1046
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,099
but found a portal and then after that

1047
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,920
incident uh one of their very fit

1048
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,440
Special Forces members died of a massive

1049
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,599
heart attack another person developed

1050
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,480
cancer and I think and and uh Glenn

1051
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:51,180
Jackson himself had became down with a

1052
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,920
very strange medical condition it took

1053
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:55,619
him a year and a half to clear up this

1054
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:57,660
dude is one of the most professional

1055
00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:00,660
dudes I've heard of and he has missing

1056
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:01,560
time

1057
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,859
uh and UFO so the whole first of all he

1058
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,960
did the Monroe Institute uh program

1059
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,940
what's that called uh Gateway the

1060
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:12,000
Gateway program tapes yes he went to the

1061
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,500
family castle

1062
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,319
yes he went to that and now all these

1063
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:18,359
things are happening to him and it's on

1064
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,300
all three of these genres so yeah I mean

1065
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:23,460
the more you guys have you know taught

1066
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:26,780
me that this is connected

1067
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,599
so that's awesome check out uh everybody

1068
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,880
check out Dave Scott's uh spaced out

1069
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,400
radio with Glenn Jackson and have your

1070
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:37,980
mind blown like my like mine was uh go

1071
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,720
ahead money

1072
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:41,040
yeah I want to kind of take this a

1073
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,180
little bit further because it's a really

1074
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,160
good topic and then talk about trauma

1075
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,800
and the way that we deal with trauma uh

1076
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:48,000
you know Holly I know you've had

1077
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,740
experience with listening to experiences

1078
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,319
uh from others who've had this and deal

1079
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,540
with it day to day and Deb I really want

1080
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,760
your take on this as well and DJ from

1081
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:58,859
your military experience and uh and your

1082
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,079
colleagues who've dealt with trauma so

1083
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,720
we we have a way of working with trauma

1084
00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:05,760
now that is

1085
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:07,819
um in some ways it's very

1086
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,200
compartmentalized right so we we sort of

1087
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:12,839
clinically address the trauma and we

1088
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,720
help the individual sort of you know fit

1089
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:17,640
it within a framework that they can

1090
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,819
manage and go about their life and keep

1091
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:22,740
it under control and kind of function in

1092
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,839
society that sort of you know reaching a

1093
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,520
state of function is is one of the goals

1094
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,720
here

1095
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,180
um but I wonder if that's really

1096
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,280
dealing with the trauma I mean obviously

1097
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,200
it's it's helping them go about their

1098
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,000
day-to-day life but is it really

1099
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:38,700
addressing the core issue and in some

1100
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:41,400
ways the way we treat trauma like that

1101
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:44,579
is it's very clean we kind of like kind

1102
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,780
of like you know

1103
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:47,640
you know wiping our hands with it it's

1104
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:49,740
like it's not really there la la like we

1105
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:50,940
kind of dealt with it now we put it in

1106
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,380
this little place over here and I don't

1107
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,440
have to consider the ramifications of

1108
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:57,540
what caused the the trauma that it's

1109
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,060
real it exists it's with us and I don't

1110
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:01,859
necessarily have to address it directly

1111
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:04,859
we've just now kind of uh uh contained

1112
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:07,260
it in a fence in a way so I wonder what

1113
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,760
your thoughts are like is that the way

1114
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:11,400
we kind of deal with trauma in modern

1115
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,319
day you know with these different

1116
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,000
treatments is it the right way to deal

1117
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:19,490
um

1118
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,819
it's really interesting

1119
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:23,220
that we've come to this place

1120
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:26,040
I am I feel like we're gonna get very

1121
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,619
deep now a term of flashing lights are

1122
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,260
going deep baby we're going in

1123
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:33,119
um

1124
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:39,119
moved around a lot

1125
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:41,720
um as great as my esoteric mother was

1126
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,200
she she wasn't she was great at the

1127
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,200
esoteric stuff she wasn't as great at

1128
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:51,119
the mother stuff

1129
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:53,339
um and I I've carried a lot of a lot of

1130
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,940
trauma as a result of of you know my

1131
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,800
childhood experiences which

1132
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,780
coincidentally a lot of people involved

1133
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,180
in the phenomenon seem to have a little

1134
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,339
trauma track with them which you know I

1135
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:07,260
find I'm really exploring that myself at

1136
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:10,260
the moment but I I

1137
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:14,460
spent my late 20s addressing my trauma

1138
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:17,940
through spirituality through exploration

1139
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:22,560
of mysticism through yoga through all of

1140
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:25,800
these esoteric paths that

1141
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,240
helped me to face them and as you so

1142
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,000
well put it Nathan is you know we I'm

1143
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,280
British people I think as well we can

1144
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:37,920
put things in a box stiff off the lip

1145
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:41,760
put it away and then we crack on and for

1146
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,060
me being able to work with my shadows

1147
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,240
and understand the trauma that I have

1148
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:51,599
the more I have been able to confront

1149
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:55,200
trauma The more I've been involved and

1150
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,960
the deeper I've got into the phenomenon

1151
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,960
the mysticism mysticism side the

1152
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:02,760
esoteric side which is all weaved

1153
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:06,660
together in I'm starting to realize that

1154
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:09,060
the the the people I meet through the

1155
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,099
work that I do one all carry trauma

1156
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,960
two are at a point in their life when

1157
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:18,420
they're processing it and maybe able to

1158
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,500
accept it and then three they find

1159
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:25,500
themselves in this bizarre topic and I'm

1160
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:28,500
now starting to really believe

1161
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:31,020
there's some link here what makes a

1162
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,760
believer of the phenomenon and a

1163
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:35,099
non-believer the believer seems to all

1164
00:48:40,609 --> 00:48:37,980
have had very not similar identical

1165
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,619
situations but we've all carrying

1166
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,380
something we've all had our souls

1167
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,020
touched in different ways and

1168
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,900
it really I've been on this one for

1169
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,579
about three or four weeks really trying

1170
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:53,760
to understand is trauma a springboard

1171
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:56,819
into discovery

1172
00:49:02,210 --> 00:48:58,980
that's that's why what's been interested

1173
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,220
recently as well is I'm starting to find

1174
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,900
a lot of our colleagues and our friends

1175
00:49:07,809 --> 00:49:05,880
our mutual friends and people in this

1176
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,819
community a lot of them have a lot of

1177
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,800
neurodiverse challenges as well

1178
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:12,359
and

1179
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:17,819
bit of Nora spiciness

1180
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,760
it is all hand in hand is that why we

1181
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:22,920
are believers is that what brings us to

1182
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:32,329
yeah let me uh pass it to Debs I was I'm

1183
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:34,619
not gonna comment because it's not my

1184
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,260
turn so go ahead dibs well there is a

1185
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,660
lot I could say to this one obviously it

1186
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:41,579
could be an hour and a half alone but

1187
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,940
first of all I wanted to say that

1188
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,000
not everyone is going to be able to

1189
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:50,400
respond to trauma the same way you know

1190
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:52,440
some people can face it head on some

1191
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,780
people have to put it on the Shelf to

1192
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,420
function like they just have to

1193
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,000
um so you know we we actually have some

1194
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:02,280
defenses in place

1195
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,920
um when we have trauma and you know one

1196
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:07,140
of them is you know just forgetting all

1197
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,940
together and that's that shelving that

1198
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,920
happens and it's just a survival

1199
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,960
technique great

1200
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:14,640
um but another thing that can happen is

1201
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:16,760
that it can be transformative for people

1202
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:19,740
it can make them evolve into something

1203
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:22,260
else and I think there might even be a

1204
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,740
biological aspect to it that may can

1205
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,260
connect directly to the phenomenon like

1206
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:30,420
your perceptions are increased your

1207
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,060
intuitions are increased as a survival

1208
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,640
mechanism

1209
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,740
um so basically you start to perceive

1210
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,300
things you weren't noticing before

1211
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,060
because you're on heightened alerts

1212
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,160
because that's how you survive after

1213
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:46,140
trauma

1214
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:47,460
so

1215
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:50,819
wow wow

1216
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:54,420
you know going to Nathan's question and

1217
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:57,900
it was a great one and it comes from the

1218
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,119
heart because there's a frustration in

1219
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,319
Nathan's voice in our inability to to

1220
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,500
deal with trauma sometimes in a real way

1221
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,319
we have you know practitioners who who

1222
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,420
do it Deb is one of them

1223
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,000
and I think one of the limitations is is

1224
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:16,319
that we're human

1225
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:19,260
so we can only

1226
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,200
you know try to help that person find

1227
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,680
the PATH you know Deb can't turn their

1228
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,780
body and point them in a Direction but

1229
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:30,480
she can say if you turn this way and

1230
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:34,020
look this way that could be one path out

1231
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,319
right so we're very limited in what we

1232
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,319
can do and I'm reminded of we were

1233
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,319
talking about this show uh prior to us

1234
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,720
coming on air with you guys called the

1235
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:47,700
mayor of Kingstown and in that a young

1236
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,000
lady uh who had been hired by uh some

1237
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:53,119
sort of a Russian mobster and sent to

1238
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,000
Kingstown to use her feminine wiles to

1239
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:59,819
gain favor with the mayor and get get

1240
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,460
him to do something and he says no you

1241
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:04,079
know no thank you he goes in by the way

1242
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,540
I recommend that you go back to New York

1243
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,940
because the the path you're headed on

1244
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:10,559
you're not ready for I know you think

1245
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:11,940
that you're really tough and you can

1246
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:14,040
handle this and and things are not going

1247
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,119
to end well for you it's something

1248
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:17,819
analogous to that he Jeremy Renner does

1249
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,319
that a lot better than I do what ends up

1250
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:22,020
happening is she ends up being

1251
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:22,619
um

1252
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,980
she ends up as a prostitute and she sold

1253
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,980
from one group to another ends up with

1254
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,140
this Aryan group and they abuse her

1255
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:33,720
quite badly and inject her with drugs

1256
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:35,640
and she has bruises all over her body

1257
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,500
and finally

1258
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,160
um a group of Crips uh contacts the

1259
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,920
mayor and he's able to go and and uh and

1260
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,200
pick her up and then when he brought her

1261
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:48,480
to his Cabin in the Woods

1262
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,300
she's sitting on the floor she's kind of

1263
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,040
being very reflective about what's

1264
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:55,319
happened to her and saying that

1265
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:58,200
basically something analogous to a part

1266
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:59,880
of me is gone

1267
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:02,220
and one of the ironies of all this is

1268
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:04,380
that the phenomenon does have the

1269
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,099
ability to make you forget as if

1270
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:10,619
something never happened to you

1271
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,559
and that they can somehow put you in a

1272
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:15,480
place where they do something

1273
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,020
and they're able to get inside your your

1274
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:21,420
being and somehow you forget that it

1275
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,260
happened

1276
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:25,440
and because we as humans can't do that

1277
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,680
on our own we can we have our devs and

1278
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,000
they're going to try to point you in a

1279
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:32,160
direction to deal with this and to find

1280
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,380
your self-worth again and find your

1281
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:37,140
strength and realize that uh it's not

1282
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:39,059
something that you did that caused this

1283
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,359
that uh sometimes we're victims and and

1284
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:44,160
that doesn't mean that you can't rebuild

1285
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,740
your life in this way and that you are

1286
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,300
something that's valuable and beautiful

1287
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:50,160
and unique and worthy and all these

1288
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,380
things but the phenomenon does have that

1289
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:54,240
ability and that's the irony of it I

1290
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,800
think we're limited to deal with the

1291
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,079
trauma Nathan because

1292
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,900
um we're human and we uh we don't

1293
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:03,359
necessarily have the ability to wipe

1294
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,940
that out of your your soul if you will

1295
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:08,640
it there's an imprint sometimes that

1296
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:11,900
that a traumatic event puts on your soul

1297
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:14,579
and and it just never leaves you just

1298
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,760
learn to what Holly said stiff upper lip

1299
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:19,380
crack on

1300
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:26,390
so uh with that if Nathan if you don't

1301
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,619
have follow-up commentary we can we'll

1302
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:31,680
go to the next uh H wood yeah let's do

1303
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,400
it okay H wood what's your topic

1304
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:37,500
my topic is quite related to this

1305
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:44,630
[Laughter]

1306
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,500
and I was going to weave my old man and

1307
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:49,380
trick me dad so

1308
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:50,339
um

1309
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,920
my topic is believe as best as

1310
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:54,960
non-believers what what makes you know

1311
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,680
what separates the two now my dad and if

1312
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:02,160
an Impressions coming DJ you ready

1313
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:06,420
my job was like can I swear am I a lot

1314
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,380
of swear

1315
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:09,359
this is up to Nathan

1316
00:55:15,549 --> 00:55:11,660
uh it's fine yeah whatever

1317
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:15,559
no we'll we'll use all the words

1318
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:18,359
hold up these are not swear words in

1319
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,540
Liverpool this is normal conversation so

1320
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,940
for the purposes episode we're in

1321
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:26,400
Liverpool I don't want you to get

1322
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:32,870
what the flip

1323
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,059
are you on about with these aliens wow

1324
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:39,000
if you got mad you've got mad you need a

1325
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:39,839
doctor

1326
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,059
and I was like no I've not no I've not

1327
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,520
gone mad Dad I'm I'm perfectly saying

1328
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:46,920
I'm already like no you've gone mad

1329
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:48,780
because you're on the internet talking

1330
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,920
about it with weirdos and and it's it's

1331
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:55,500
not okay and my dad worries about yeah

1332
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,500
and it's not effing real and I think

1333
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,319
you've got mad and he he was genuinely

1334
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,380
thinking you know woohoo it was time for

1335
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,520
me to get a psychiatric volume and and

1336
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:10,680
as funny as it was and okay whatever dad

1337
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,040
it posed a question to me

1338
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:17,040
what makes Believers believe and what

1339
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,500
makes non-believers completely dismiss

1340
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:22,440
it so I have cognitive dissonance sorry

1341
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:24,020
go ahead

1342
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:29,040
but I there's people in my life that

1343
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,099
even when I print reports off the you

1344
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:35,160
know I I pre I I print off physically

1345
00:56:42,349 --> 00:56:39,480
here you go this is from such and such

1346
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:42,359
this is from this government this he go

1347
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:44,940
read it like black and white habit

1348
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:48,359
tangibly they will still go yeah

1349
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:52,920
come on really come on and they look at

1350
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:54,839
me like I've One Flew Over the Cuckoo's

1351
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:02,030
what makes a non-believer non-belief and

1352
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,540
what makes it we know what makes

1353
00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:05,520
Believers believe but why are these

1354
00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:08,839
what's it going to take okay rephrase

1355
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:13,319
what's it going to take to inform the

1356
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,660
non-believers that the phenomenon is

1357
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:17,460
very real what what's it going to take

1358
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:19,980
because we've had confirmation in in a

1359
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:21,780
way from the US government we've got

1360
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:24,540
overwhelming evidence from very credible

1361
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,140
people I had two former in British Intel

1362
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:30,720
people on a space last week still this

1363
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:34,079
person in my life's going yeah but Kim

1364
00:57:40,569 --> 00:57:37,079
Kardashian's got a new bomb yeah but and

1365
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,579
it's like what would it take to make

1366
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,200
non-believers believe is it you know

1367
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,599
Gray's tap dancing on the White House

1368
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,240
what would it take and that is my

1369
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:50,220
question what would it take to make

1370
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:51,720
non-believers

1371
00:57:56,829 --> 00:57:54,780
buy into the reality of the phenomenon

1372
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:56,839
being real

1373
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,160
yeah it's an excellent question and I

1374
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,200
dab I'd like you could take that first

1375
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:03,119
if you don't mind oh really that's great

1376
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:05,240
because I made a list

1377
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:08,520
okay first of all we need to have people

1378
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:11,160
admit that the stigma program existed

1379
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:14,040
and infiltrated our film

1380
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:15,780
um of being movies

1381
00:58:21,049 --> 00:58:18,780
um but it was and second we need some

1382
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:21,059
people to just have the experience some

1383
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:22,740
people don't believe until they have the

1384
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,359
experience

1385
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:26,339
um third we need people to overcome

1386
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,500
their arrogance and that's a big leap

1387
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,240
for a lot of people

1388
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,220
um the arrogance that existed when

1389
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,200
people didn't believe in a platypus or

1390
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:37,020
the gorillas you know the arrogance that

1391
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:39,380
keeps people from um

1392
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,119
accepting that their own beliefs are

1393
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,160
actually somewhat out there but these

1394
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:46,440
beliefs for some reason they can't

1395
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:48,299
accept I don't I don't understand how

1396
00:58:53,329 --> 00:58:51,420
that happens but it does so sort of

1397
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:53,339
understanding that there's stuff for us

1398
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:56,700
left to learn if that makes sense and

1399
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,359
then

1400
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,339
um I also wrote you know people just

1401
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,440
have to maybe accept taking the harder

1402
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:03,660
path sometimes I think some people just

1403
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,020
think it's easier not to believe it's

1404
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,540
easier not to have the conversation or

1405
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,240
the Revelation so they might just have

1406
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:14,640
to take the harder path so those were

1407
00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:16,200
the things I came up with while you were

1408
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:17,780
talking

1409
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:21,119
yeah really solid I mean I think that

1410
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:24,960
there's a thin line between

1411
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:28,920
order and and Chaos for most people

1412
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:30,140
um that

1413
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:33,059
we're we've done a really good job

1414
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,160
tricking ourselves into thinking that

1415
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,799
we've got things figured out that the

1416
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,020
world that we traffic in and understand

1417
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:42,799
we understand it we know how it behaves

1418
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,250
things make sense to us and and this is

1419
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,319
one of those topics that if you if for

1420
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,240
some if you just make space for it if

1421
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:55,680
you if you are a person who just says

1422
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:59,520
well I'm open to the idea uh it begins

1423
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,040
creating riffs and cracks within that

1424
01:00:07,609 --> 01:00:04,559
order that that allow you to kind of go

1425
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:07,619
about your day-to-day and

1426
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:11,040
you know it's one of those issues where

1427
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:12,660
we in a way we've sort of tricked

1428
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,740
ourselves into forgetting that we're

1429
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,839
really animals you know we're just we're

1430
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,000
animals with ideas and tools we've done

1431
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:21,119
some amazing things with that but uh at

1432
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,099
the end of the day we're still creatures

1433
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:24,720
just like the rest of the creatures that

1434
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:28,140
are sharing this planet with us and

1435
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,799
um you know for many I think

1436
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:33,839
going down this path going down this

1437
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,960
rabbit hole is just too disruptive

1438
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:39,180
um yeah because you know I I it

1439
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:41,099
frustrates me as well because I you know

1440
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:43,079
I I'm into the topic obviously I'm here

1441
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:45,059
and I have a huge interest in a lot of

1442
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:46,400
the uh

1443
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:48,780
special topics that are talked about all

1444
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:51,540
the time but I don't necessarily have

1445
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,260
um

1446
01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:54,720
my beliefs aren't some of them are

1447
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:56,940
concrete but they're not terrifically

1448
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,160
concrete but I'm comfortable in that

1449
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:01,680
ambiguity right so I'm okay with that

1450
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,680
ambiguity of knowing not knowing it

1451
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:07,920
being some mystery uh me wanting to

1452
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,960
believe people and what they're telling

1453
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,000
me I I have faith in people and I'd

1454
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:14,640
rather I would rather believe them than

1455
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:17,700
reject them and turn them away that's

1456
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:20,819
just my personality but um you know a

1457
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,380
lot of folks aren't like that and and I

1458
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:24,240
get it you know it's not for everyone

1459
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,799
and you kind of need to be in a certain

1460
01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:27,420
place

1461
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,940
um everybody's on their own path and and

1462
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,400
to kind of force someone to believe when

1463
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:34,440
they're not ready for that then that

1464
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:36,180
could be pretty as we mentioned earlier

1465
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:43,069
struggled with

1466
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:46,740
um given my whack within C5 well heists

1467
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:49,559
more so I I get contacted by a whole

1468
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,700
plethora of people and yeah I had a

1469
01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:56,640
particular person contact me

1470
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:57,500
um

1471
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:00,960
and you know she was struggling with

1472
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,579
with her claim was that the um

1473
01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:07,920
all of our family were complete against

1474
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:11,040
her diligence and a shimmy into this

1475
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:13,859
world but beings were now at the bottom

1476
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,700
of our garden on a nightly basis

1477
01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:19,920
and they were interacting with her and

1478
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,099
they were hurting her and she she had

1479
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:25,920
marks on her and and none of her family

1480
01:02:30,650 --> 01:02:28,680
believed and she was you know I don't

1481
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:30,660
know if that was really happening to her

1482
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,760
I didn't want to reject her I wanted to

1483
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:35,520
accept her because she she was so alone

1484
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:39,720
because her family were ready to you

1485
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:41,460
know the words you know she they wanted

1486
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,819
to have a psychiatrically evaluated you

1487
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:47,040
know I don't know if what she was

1488
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:49,619
experiencing was real it

1489
01:02:56,210 --> 01:02:53,339
felt real to her but the fact that she

1490
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:56,220
was so alone in whatever was happening

1491
01:02:59,630 --> 01:02:58,200
to her because the the complete

1492
01:03:02,930 --> 01:02:59,640
dismissal

1493
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:02,940
that no it doesn't exist no you're crazy

1494
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:04,440
you've got a psychiatric challenge

1495
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:06,599
you're you know you're hallucinating

1496
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:11,520
you're having auditory hallucinations in

1497
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:14,099
it's that fine line to walk isn't it

1498
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:15,660
that that there is the struggle

1499
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,380
sometimes hmm then it's such a it's such

1500
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:22,079
a diverse thing to unpack isn't it

1501
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:23,160
really

1502
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,980
one thing I would say is um as someone

1503
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:28,559
who's trying to help mental health

1504
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:30,599
professionals figure out how to deal

1505
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:32,280
with experiencers

1506
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:34,740
we've really emphasized it doesn't

1507
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:38,520
matter if a person treating that person

1508
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:41,339
beliefs or not what they need to treat

1509
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,280
is the symptoms they need to treat that

1510
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,260
trauma they need to treat if this person

1511
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,680
is seeing something that scares them you

1512
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:51,780
know they need to treat that they don't

1513
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:54,780
their personal belief ultimately won't

1514
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:58,079
matter in helping these experiencers

1515
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,660
so that's an aspect but I I have the

1516
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:03,119
same thought all the time like we see

1517
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:05,700
the most bizarre creatures on this

1518
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:08,220
planet but as soon as someone throws up

1519
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,380
a picture of a gray everyone's like oh

1520
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:12,900
no no no no of course not it's just a

1521
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:15,660
weird mind trick that we're doing to

1522
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:17,579
ourselves

1523
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:19,020
it's that

1524
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:29,700
instantaneous impossibility implaus

1525
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,700
ability of the possibility oh there's a

1526
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:34,559
lot of abilities and that that there

1527
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:37,020
could be more than what we see and you

1528
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:40,200
know we're so quick is to you know

1529
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:42,299
to believe in Things That Go Bump in the

1530
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:46,799
night so but the possibility of them

1531
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:49,559
whoever they may be is is often met with

1532
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,819
such strict nope it can't and I struggle

1533
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:56,880
with that sometimes but you know we're

1534
01:05:02,510 --> 01:04:59,599
all unpacking this Mystery One

1535
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:02,520
Challenge at a time aren't we yeah it's

1536
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,960
weird because of the other things we've

1537
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,000
learned to accept right I wonder if

1538
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:07,680
people went through the same thing when

1539
01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:09,240
they were trying to figure out how the

1540
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,500
Sun related to the planets you know

1541
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,119
sure hey guys just want to let you know

1542
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:18,059
I'm back and uh Kati gave me her airpods

1543
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:20,220
I don't know why mine were dropping dead

1544
01:05:23,770 --> 01:05:22,680
they've never gone dead in within the

1545
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:23,780
space

1546
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:41,770
nailed it

1547
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:44,089
Holly I want to kind of come back to you

1548
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:45,960
again with this um with your public

1549
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,660
relations background right so uh your

1550
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:50,819
student of human nature in many ways you

1551
01:05:55,609 --> 01:05:53,220
know looking at how humans react to

1552
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:55,619
marketing uh how they respond to

1553
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:59,700
messaging and a lot of this really is I

1554
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:02,520
think comes down to human beings are are

1555
01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:05,520
our tendency to need to see others doing

1556
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:07,740
something before we also do something

1557
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:10,859
you know the experiment where he walks

1558
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:12,660
in into a field and everybody's staring

1559
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,339
up looking at the sky at this one thing

1560
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:16,319
and the person's like well and they're

1561
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,280
all saying there's a thing right there

1562
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:18,480
and I want to see they're going to

1563
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,680
immediately do that thing that

1564
01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:22,440
everyone's doing so I I look at

1565
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:25,079
disclosure in some ways like this right

1566
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:27,900
they're they're the world is sort of

1567
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:31,260
looking around the room of of the world

1568
01:06:36,170 --> 01:06:34,380
and looking for people going there's a

1569
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:36,180
they're there and when enough their

1570
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,520
theirs are there I love saying that then

1571
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,079
it's like oh well now I have permission

1572
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,240
I I can I can actually believe this that

1573
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,700
and it's safe to say so what's your take

1574
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:47,280
on that from just a human nature

1575
01:06:57,049 --> 01:06:53,329
humans

1576
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,059
we aren't as complex as sometimes we

1577
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,000
seem we're actually animals and we're

1578
01:07:04,609 --> 01:07:02,400
not that complex we are a head species

1579
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:04,619
we will always

1580
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:08,640
go together where we can but I think we

1581
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,839
in this day of information overload we

1582
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:14,160
don't know

1583
01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:17,640
our ass from our elbow sorry as well and

1584
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:24,829
this I'm finding now there's there's

1585
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,559
more people more willing to accept the

1586
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,680
possibility than ever before and I think

1587
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,359
that's because there's been kind of

1588
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:35,940
media there's more shows like this

1589
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:40,859
people are like myself who you know is

1590
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,299
coming from a certain background that

1591
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,920
you wouldn't necessarily would think

1592
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:46,319
would stand up and say hey you know I've

1593
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:53,750
I I get challenged with this sometimes

1594
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:57,599
that I think there is a there's a strong

1595
01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:00,359
like the younger generation like my kids

1596
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,940
and my nieces and nephews a younger

1597
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:04,859
generation are more open to believe the

1598
01:08:10,010 --> 01:08:07,980
existence of something I think the the

1599
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,020
older Generations are the ones that have

1600
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,240
had less technology in their lives and

1601
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,119
less acclimatization to things like you

1602
01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:16,980
know I'm a Star Trek not so of course

1603
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:19,380
it's going to be something that in in my

1604
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,160
world but I think that there's I I feel

1605
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:25,859
there's a there's a ripple of change in

1606
01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:28,380
the air with with public perception and

1607
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,660
I I think that that's a great thing I

1608
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:31,920
think it's part of the acclimatization

1609
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:34,440
process as well that we've had all of

1610
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,600
this stuff like flashed at us for so

1611
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:38,400
long but

1612
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:42,480
naturally we are a head species so until

1613
01:08:48,169 --> 01:08:45,779
the Great and the good on math so it

1614
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:48,179
takes 10 of the of the population to

1615
01:08:53,809 --> 01:08:49,560
change the collective Consciousness

1616
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:53,819
until we reach that 10 of people going

1617
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:57,239
this is real you know what what's

1618
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:59,940
interesting to me is I speak to my

1619
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:01,980
friends and I will say a name that we

1620
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,620
all know just just come out and said

1621
01:09:10,809 --> 01:09:08,400
such and such and they're like

1622
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:10,819
who what

1623
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,040
means nothing in unfortunately our

1624
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,080
community can be sometimes a bit of an

1625
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:18,839
echo chamber because we've all heard it

1626
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,199
together to in you know to pass our

1627
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:24,480
thoughts and information and feelings

1628
01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:28,380
around and I just wonder is the next

1629
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:31,080
phase of this disclosure

1630
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:34,020
is it being able to speak differently to

1631
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,660
outside of our community is that is that

1632
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:38,640
how we reach a collective consciousness

1633
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:40,859
of understanding a possibility believing

1634
01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:42,600
I don't think I answered your question

1635
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:44,520
but I certainly gave you some discussion

1636
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,570
it's that Echo chamber I think that

1637
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,560
interests me so much how do we break

1638
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:54,540
that how do we break out of this mold

1639
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:57,719
that we've carefully crafted in our

1640
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,160
community because we've heard it

1641
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:01,860
together how do we break that wall down

1642
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,160
right it's okay was the question was it

1643
01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:07,199
Holly's question about

1644
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:08,840
um

1645
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:12,300
no was I Nathan am I on Holly's question

1646
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,520
or am I in your question just whatever

1647
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:16,080
you want to jump in on we're just we're

1648
01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:19,080
just chatting man okay uh I believe

1649
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:22,100
Holly's question was uh

1650
01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:24,840
were you Holly if you can restate your

1651
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,280
question again just to make sure I got

1652
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:27,840
it

1653
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:35,270
to reach

1654
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,800
the rest of the world to ensure that

1655
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,120
they can kind of

1656
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,580
how we reaching more people to to to get

1657
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,440
disclosure happening because we can all

1658
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:44,880
talk to each other all day long and we

1659
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:47,100
believe but how are we getting John and

1660
01:10:50,689 --> 01:10:48,600
Jane how are they going to understand

1661
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,699
how are they going to evolve okay

1662
01:10:54,649 --> 01:10:52,320
because the question I thought you had

1663
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,659
was something about why people I just

1664
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,390
okay so that's what I wanted to answer

1665
01:11:06,169 --> 01:11:01,320
get that one first

1666
01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:06,179
so uh I think there is a cognitive

1667
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:09,179
dissonance that people uh they they

1668
01:11:13,729 --> 01:11:11,820
believe and but they don't want to

1669
01:11:15,709 --> 01:11:13,739
believe and when you don't want to do

1670
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:15,719
something you tell yourself this is

1671
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:18,179
what's going on so I spoke with I was on

1672
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:21,659
Sasquatch Odyssey two days ago something

1673
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,600
like that and we recorded an episode and

1674
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:26,820
the the host of that who will be on at

1675
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,340
some point his name is Brian King sharp

1676
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:31,679
I think is his name any case uh he does

1677
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:33,960
have a quite a Big Show and he would say

1678
01:11:38,450 --> 01:11:35,699
half the time I don't I believe in

1679
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:38,460
Bigfoot half the time I don't uh five

1680
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,900
days a week I believe the Patterson

1681
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:42,000
gimlin film's real the other two days I

1682
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,699
don't and I was like so you know so I'm

1683
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:46,860
like but you know people have decided

1684
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,260
they don't want to believe when I see

1685
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:51,540
something I want to explain in a way

1686
01:11:58,370 --> 01:11:55,140
that this is not real because if it's

1687
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,380
real I have to change my world view and

1688
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:00,000
I'm not down with that

1689
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,760
Uh I that we have a story The cabbies

1690
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:05,280
have a story of where we had this guest

1691
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,699
on who had come on my show uh uh on

1692
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,080
another genre when we're talking about

1693
01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:12,960
reality TV this name a lady named Kate

1694
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:15,719
Casey who's an amazing person uh and

1695
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:17,940
when we brought her on to the new to cab

1696
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:21,780
for UFOs she basically just went

1697
01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:24,659
I am not trying to hear what you're

1698
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:27,659
saying because you are not changing my

1699
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:29,640
worldview do you got it do you

1700
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:32,100
understand so that's what you're up

1701
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,179
against in terms of uh people uh even

1702
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:38,159
people who have a a Bigfoot show like

1703
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,260
Brian who will bring on will bring him

1704
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:42,239
on and we'll you know we'll ask him

1705
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:44,219
about his theories he's a police officer

1706
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:47,460
by trade retired police officer uh and

1707
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:50,940
in the case of us I I would argue that I

1708
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:52,679
don't think we're in an echo chamber

1709
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:54,540
actually

1710
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,900
um there's so much Discord in the in the

1711
01:13:01,970 --> 01:13:00,000
the problem in the UFO Community is that

1712
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:01,980
we can't agree on anything we don't

1713
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:05,460
trust the same people we trust people if

1714
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:08,580
you are very very feel fearful of this

1715
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,520
and what it might mean then maybe you

1716
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:13,500
trust Mick West and he becomes your

1717
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:14,460
rabbi

1718
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,460
if you're

1719
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:20,880
um thinking well disclosures happened uh

1720
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:22,739
we have legislation it's been talked

1721
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,659
about in the hill maybe Lou Elizondo and

1722
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:27,600
Chris melon or your rabbis so I I don't

1723
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:29,640
necessarily think that that we are in an

1724
01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:32,280
echo chamber I think he can seem that

1725
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:35,400
way because of your friend group but it

1726
01:13:39,950 --> 01:13:37,260
wouldn't take you five minutes to get

1727
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:39,960
into a screaming match with somebody on

1728
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,540
UFO Twitter if you wanted to

1729
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:45,360
so I I don't think that's our problem I

1730
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:47,159
think what our problem is is that we

1731
01:13:55,209 --> 01:13:51,600
can't coalesce around a set of evidence

1732
01:13:58,610 --> 01:13:55,219
that is quite proven without question

1733
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:58,620
there is no question that there would be

1734
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:01,800
no legislation on the hill and talked

1735
01:14:05,450 --> 01:14:03,659
about if we didn't have Lou Elizondo

1736
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:05,460
Chris melon

1737
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:08,340
um Jim semivan and Tom Delong and these

1738
01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:10,260
you know and you can add you know you

1739
01:14:14,030 --> 01:14:12,120
can add some outliers to that group as

1740
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:14,040
well that are maybe on the periphery of

1741
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:15,360
that Central group

1742
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:19,260
that is an idea that is there is you

1743
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,140
cannot debate that it it's beyond debate

1744
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,239
but people can't agree on that they go

1745
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:27,600
up lose the double agent meanwhile we

1746
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,179
sat there Nathan myself and Deb and

1747
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,120
spoke with he and his wife on camera off

1748
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:35,520
air and his wife told us about the

1749
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:38,100
moment when he came home and said I'm

1750
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:40,500
quitting the Pentagon and my GS 15

1751
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:45,719
salary and my gs15 retirement package

1752
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,199
over UFOs something that this kid would

1753
01:14:55,630 --> 01:14:51,360
not do

1754
01:14:59,450 --> 01:14:55,640
that's sacrifice that's skin in the game

1755
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,460
not I tweeted about stuff for a year and

1756
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:02,159
a half it's I put my money

1757
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:04,920
where my mouth was that's not debatable

1758
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:07,620
but people will debate it and say he's a

1759
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,800
government uh he's a uh some sort of a

1760
01:15:15,169 --> 01:15:12,719
uh double agent I don't know what you

1761
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:15,179
know the so so I don't think the problem

1762
01:15:18,290 --> 01:15:16,739
is that we're an echo chamber I think

1763
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,300
the problem is we can't even agree on

1764
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:20,480
basic premises

1765
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,260
[Music]

1766
01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:24,239
pathway

1767
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:26,580
who's next Nathan

1768
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:30,540
that's me that's good yeah okay so this

1769
01:15:34,090 --> 01:15:32,100
is kind of a big one

1770
01:15:40,209 --> 01:15:34,100
um that I've been pondering a lot lately

1771
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:40,219
so from flying motorcycles drones AI

1772
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:43,560
computer interfaces used for telepathy

1773
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,980
and moving objects with our mind

1774
01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:48,239
space travel

1775
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:51,000
etc etc Quantum Computing it's pretty

1776
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:53,219
clear that we're a very different

1777
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:56,040
species from the other creatures on this

1778
01:16:02,209 --> 01:15:59,100
planet and we seem to be following the

1779
01:16:09,709 --> 01:16:02,219
path of the phenomenon so what are your

1780
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:12,709
good question

1781
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:14,940
I need to think on this one yeah that's

1782
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:16,679
a that's a whole show and a half at

1783
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:17,400
least

1784
01:16:21,229 --> 01:16:19,320
um

1785
01:16:23,390 --> 01:16:21,239
I mean I think it's related I think it's

1786
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:23,400
really to Consciousness I think that it

1787
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,250
you know as we are beings that are able

1788
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,560
to uh have a higher order Consciousness

1789
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:37,199
than the other beings that are here

1790
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:40,199
um we in a way

1791
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,380
can tap into that that source of

1792
01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:45,600
information and knowledge and in ways

1793
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,620
that that other beings can't quite do

1794
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:51,900
um and that opens up the possibility

1795
01:16:58,250 --> 01:16:55,199
space dramatically between our

1796
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:58,260
capability and reality

1797
01:17:03,290 --> 01:17:01,020
um so and that there's a lot to get into

1798
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:03,300
from there which I don't want to but I

1799
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,060
think that the connection is about our

1800
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:08,640
conscious development and as that as

1801
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:11,880
that conscious development progresses uh

1802
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:14,960
our our capability what becomes possible

1803
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,060
just becomes broader and broader

1804
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:20,520
over time if we can even use that as a

1805
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:27,350
that's such a good question you know

1806
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:31,260
for me you know are we conduits of

1807
01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:32,940
something else

1808
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:36,179
what is it to be human and your question

1809
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:39,719
is really given me itchy teeth and itchy

1810
01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:42,120
brain for sure and

1811
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:44,040
for me I think you know what you've just

1812
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:46,199
touched Underneath Him

1813
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,140
whatever this extra

1814
01:17:55,310 --> 01:17:51,600
something that we humans have in

1815
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,320
comparison to the animal kingdom is that

1816
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:57,780
extra something part of

1817
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:00,540
the bigger ecosystem of the universe and

1818
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:02,340
which Consciousness is is a thread

1819
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:04,920
within that in

1820
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:07,140
I think that's what the separation is

1821
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,159
that we we are of these bodies is our

1822
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:14,480
mind connected to the Grand grander

1823
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:17,880
everything of the universe or are we

1824
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,739
merely

1825
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:22,080
part of well we are the Stardust we're

1826
01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:24,060
made up of everything that is out there

1827
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:28,020
but is there an extra connection that

1828
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:29,880
pins us to that

1829
01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:31,860
so I'm just answering questions with

1830
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:34,520
questions at this point

1831
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,780
we're paying we're not paying you for

1832
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:38,699
that Holly if you want your check I'm

1833
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:41,760
just kidding so Deb if you would you

1834
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:43,380
gave some examples at the beginning but

1835
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,300
if you could restate the central part of

1836
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:47,040
the question to make sure that I got it

1837
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:49,140
right okay so we're obviously very

1838
01:18:53,689 --> 01:18:51,239
Advanced at this point within the last

1839
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:53,699
200 years which makes us really

1840
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:55,560
different from the other animals on the

1841
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:56,940
planet they're not trying to go into

1842
01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:58,739
space they're not making quantum

1843
01:19:03,709 --> 01:19:01,260
computers and a lot of this seems to

1844
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:03,719
very much parallel the technology we

1845
01:19:10,729 --> 01:19:06,300
discussed within non-human intelligence

1846
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:10,739
and UFOs so why do you think that is

1847
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:13,800
well I so I wrote down Evolution and

1848
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:19,260
mimicking uh but I think on our uh two

1849
01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:21,540
broadcasts ago when we spoke with Dave

1850
01:19:26,570 --> 01:19:24,780
Smithers and uh the Great Dan Warren his

1851
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:26,580
cousin in Tennessee

1852
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,920
we discussed maybe we've actually lost

1853
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:31,679
something that maybe they were in the

1854
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:34,380
ancient Egyptians through the maybe

1855
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:37,020
maybe maybe maybe maybe with the help of

1856
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:38,940
the phenomenon were able to harness

1857
01:19:45,290 --> 01:19:42,360
something that enabled them to leverage

1858
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:45,300
uh

1859
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:46,980
I don't need because I don't want to use

1860
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:49,199
the word technology let's say inability

1861
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,159
to be able to move uh two and a half ton

1862
01:19:58,669 --> 01:19:55,440
Stones yeah

1863
01:20:02,090 --> 01:19:58,679
uh first to 500 Mile Journey from where

1864
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:02,100
they were uh the Quarry was down to the

1865
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,440
site and then apparently Dave said uh

1866
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:06,000
Dave Smither sent me some today that

1867
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:09,719
said inside of those pyramids are stones

1868
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:13,440
that are more prone to transmit uh

1869
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:15,199
electrical current

1870
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:18,960
than the outside the the there's more

1871
01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:22,020
Crystal and more quartz and so forth uh

1872
01:20:28,330 --> 01:20:24,179
and part of those inner chamber Stones

1873
01:20:31,930 --> 01:20:28,340
uh so so I don't I don't know

1874
01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:31,940
necessarily that we that we've evolved

1875
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:34,980
uh so much but in some ways we have from

1876
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:37,380
a technology standpoint and I think it's

1877
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:40,199
because uh you know obviously our brain

1878
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:43,260
uh has has enabled us to do that and

1879
01:20:49,850 --> 01:20:47,040
you'll hear uh I think it was uh Michael

1880
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,860
Masters talk about when we begin to

1881
01:20:54,169 --> 01:20:52,320
start to walk upright the the grain the

1882
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:54,179
brain is able to grow because it's not

1883
01:21:00,770 --> 01:20:57,840
as confined by the the stature uh the

1884
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,780
leaned over bent over stature

1885
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:03,120
um and also you know you know Bigfoot

1886
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,440
has a little bit of that it's largely

1887
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:07,020
upright a little bit canted forward but

1888
01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:09,420
uh generally doesn't stand quite quite

1889
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:11,460
straight up and if it does the legs are

1890
01:21:16,610 --> 01:21:13,560
still bent but maybe that's why it's

1891
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:16,620
brain for the woods is so Advanced that

1892
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,320
uh that Project X Out in Oklahoma has

1893
01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:21,659
been hunting them for a decade and have

1894
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:23,940
not brought one in

1895
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:25,800
um so so I think the answer your

1896
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:27,480
question is you know this is just simple

1897
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,420
uh technological Evolution that's

1898
01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:33,300
brought on by the expanding of the brain

1899
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,980
and figuring out you know once we

1900
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,719
conquered fire and all these things oh

1901
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,880
my God that that's incredible you know

1902
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:41,520
that that that we're able to make fire

1903
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:43,020
in the wheel and all these sorts of

1904
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:45,060
things and uh it's just mushroom from

1905
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:48,060
there and of course we're inspired by uh

1906
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:51,679
probably by what we've seen that these

1907
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:54,060
hieroglyphs and these paintings and

1908
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:55,320
these um

1909
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:58,020
artistic drawings on Cave wall said that

1910
01:22:02,930 --> 01:22:00,300
we've seen these things and then

1911
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:02,940
somewhere you have a Copernicus and you

1912
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:04,620
have a Galileo and you have people that

1913
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:07,020
say you know maybe someday we're going

1914
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:09,420
to be able to do what they can do well

1915
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:12,960
we still can't but hey we're as you said

1916
01:22:18,770 --> 01:22:15,300
Deb we're pretty darn close you know

1917
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,430
so anyway uh that was I hope I hope

1918
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:24,719
today answer the question did I

1919
01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:27,420
absolutely I think you know one thing I

1920
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,219
wanted to just throw out there is just

1921
01:22:34,130 --> 01:22:32,400
another thought about it is like just

1922
01:22:36,350 --> 01:22:34,140
you guys can just say yes or no Oneness

1923
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:36,360
do you think if we were to go forward a

1924
01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:39,420
million years that the gorilla would be

1925
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:40,860
where we are

1926
01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:42,060
hmm

1927
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:44,580
wow

1928
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,739
the Masters and Jeff Meldrum and you

1929
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,060
know

1930
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:53,280
I think the the the interesting question

1931
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:55,500
to add to that would they be where we

1932
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:02,930
would they be where where we are without

1933
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:05,699
our help that's right

1934
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,960
and I would answer that probably is no

1935
01:23:15,229 --> 01:23:11,760
and so then what does that tell you

1936
01:23:17,149 --> 01:23:15,239
about are ourselves

1937
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:17,159
what does it tell you

1938
01:23:21,169 --> 01:23:18,360
I

1939
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:21,179
personally think that

1940
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:24,540
we didn't arrive where we have arrived

1941
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:27,900
solely on Good Fortune and you know sort

1942
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,320
of rudimentary evolutionary pressure

1943
01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:35,750
I don't think we're a we're a happy

1944
01:23:42,530 --> 01:23:39,420
accident at all I don't think I think

1945
01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:42,540
there's an intelligent design

1946
01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:45,000
behind us and I've I've always thought

1947
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,360
that I've always believed that there is

1948
01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:50,880
there's more to our

1949
01:23:57,290 --> 01:23:54,540
everything then there should be

1950
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:57,300
and we don't know our powers it's been

1951
01:24:01,250 --> 01:24:00,060
in our powerful our connection to that

1952
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,260
is

1953
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:04,260
yet I think by just starting to

1954
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:06,060
understand that

1955
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:09,480
we and our Consciousness is connected to

1956
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,600
a much greater Highway of information we

1957
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:14,400
just don't have the

1958
01:24:21,290 --> 01:24:18,719
abilities yet to fully grasp that I

1959
01:24:23,570 --> 01:24:21,300
think the Ancients did I think we lost

1960
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:23,580
it somewhere and I think it's slowly

1961
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:25,260
with some of the work that Gary Nolan

1962
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:27,420
does any people you know looking at that

1963
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:29,460
basil spice rack whatever it's called in

1964
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:33,360
your brain you know yeah that's it it's

1965
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:34,560
in your skin

1966
01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:36,840
it's a new spiceback but you know

1967
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,580
there's we we can't be a happy accident

1968
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,679
we can't there's no way I don't buy it

1969
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:45,719
I'm not buying that Kool-Aid so how many

1970
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,699
thousands can anyone how many thousands

1971
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,920
of years ago did Lou say was it 35 000

1972
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:52,080
years ago or seventeen thousand I said

1973
01:24:56,689 --> 01:24:54,000
70 70 70

1974
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:56,699
000 years ago thank you so so yeah if I

1975
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:58,020
would have doubled 35 who would have

1976
01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:58,920
been there

1977
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,040
um so so 70 000 years ago that that's

1978
01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:04,800
that's really interesting Nathan and I I

1979
01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:07,620
find that a very interesting hypothesis

1980
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,739
and moreover I guarantee you that Lou

1981
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:13,199
did obviously and I'm sure if you were

1982
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:14,820
here right now you tell you did not come

1983
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:16,980
up with that on his own and he probably

1984
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:18,780
spoke to some very very informed

1985
01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:22,260
individuals about that so there's a

1986
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,300
theory related to that time frame called

1987
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:27,120
the bottleneck theory that Humanity

1988
01:25:34,189 --> 01:25:30,719
almost died out around that time

1989
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:34,199
okay as tonight's Robert hole thanks Deb

1990
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:37,080
yeah thank you and and we uh so we got

1991
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:39,780
to get we got to get uh Holly out of

1992
01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:42,719
here soon so I'll give you guys Nathan

1993
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:44,640
did you go yet because I don't wanna

1994
01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:46,020
I'm good man this has been an awesome

1995
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,120
conversation okay I'll give you mine

1996
01:25:51,470 --> 01:25:49,920
real quick because this one is not going

1997
01:25:53,570 --> 01:25:51,480
to be one that's going to take a whole

1998
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,580
lot of necessarily it's not going to be

1999
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:54,960
as good as Deb's question I'll tell you

2000
01:26:02,510 --> 01:25:58,560
that but uh so Nathan and I had a

2001
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,520
discussion the other day about how many

2002
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:04,920
groups and Nathan I think you said

2003
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,860
speaking with XO that there's a pretty

2004
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:09,600
good theory about maybe did you say

2005
01:26:16,129 --> 01:26:13,500
seven groups is that I'm told don't

2006
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,139
recall saying seven seven oh okay I

2007
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,239
can't remember what maybe that that was

2008
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:20,400
just in my in my brain and had nothing

2009
01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:23,699
to do with that but I'm curious with the

2010
01:26:28,729 --> 01:26:27,000
different groups that have different so

2011
01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:28,739
I'm gonna I'm gonna do something really

2012
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:31,020
bad right now I'm going to try to

2013
01:26:37,370 --> 01:26:34,400
ascribe a human thought

2014
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:37,380
to a hypothesis about the intelligence

2015
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,199
which I personally have as a No-No

2016
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:42,960
because you can ascribe human intent to

2017
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:45,840
something that's not human and certain

2018
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:48,120
probably not a more even a really really

2019
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:52,739
more evolved uh future human but

2020
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,620
so starting with you Holly

2021
01:27:01,250 --> 01:26:58,080
um do you think that among intelligences

2022
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:01,260
that seek to

2023
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:04,560
inhabit the planet and interact with us

2024
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:07,620
with an eventual goal do you think there

2025
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:10,500
could be a bid for power amongst those

2026
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:13,620
groups which is a very human thing right

2027
01:27:19,070 --> 01:27:15,780
bid for power do you think that's

2028
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:19,080
something that that could or will happen

2029
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:21,780
or won't happen

2030
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:26,100
I think I I very much subscribe to the

2031
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:28,620
whole sort of zoo Theory I think that

2032
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:32,120
we've been watched I think we're being

2033
01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:34,739
tested monitored

2034
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:36,300
and

2035
01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:38,100
examined

2036
01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:40,920
I don't think that that there's going to

2037
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:43,560
be a big Strife of power I've never felt

2038
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:45,480
that I felt that they're they're

2039
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:47,940
watching to see what we do

2040
01:27:51,950 --> 01:27:50,760
and how we evolve and what that looks

2041
01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:51,960
like

2042
01:27:55,729 --> 01:27:52,920
um

2043
01:27:59,629 --> 01:27:55,739
yeah that's how I feel right now on that

2044
01:28:01,310 --> 01:27:59,639
question given what I know right now

2045
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:01,320
um again you know My Views could change

2046
01:28:07,149 --> 01:28:04,560
but I I it seems too human that there's

2047
01:28:09,649 --> 01:28:07,159
going to be this Galactic battle and

2048
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:09,659
turn around the earth I just you know

2049
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:11,820
the these These intelligences are

2050
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,580
Advanced I think has gone there let's

2051
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:16,320
let's cut each other's heads off and go

2052
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,420
to war and I don't think they play like

2053
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,460
that they think they operate differently

2054
01:28:25,970 --> 01:28:23,280
the different groups depending on where

2055
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:25,980
and what they're from and what they

2056
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,340
occupy and what their advancement is but

2057
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:31,620
I I don't it just seems really reductive

2058
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:34,139
that in advance civilization if that's

2059
01:28:38,030 --> 01:28:36,179
what they are that are millions of years

2060
01:28:41,570 --> 01:28:38,040
more advanced than us would be like come

2061
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,580
on I just don't I just it seems very

2062
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:44,159
primitive and I think we're we're very

2063
01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:47,219
primitive species in relation to them so

2064
01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:50,340
I think I maybe answered your question

2065
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:52,380
in true Holly Style

2066
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:55,080
it was good it was good and as far as

2067
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:57,060
being monitored you mean besides that

2068
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:58,679
ankle bracelet from the Liverpool

2069
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:04,189
well no

2070
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:05,360
no no

2071
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:08,760
Nathan where they'll be world will there

2072
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,500
be a bid for power among these

2073
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,239
intelligences

2074
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:14,159
I mean I tend to side with Holly's

2075
01:29:18,010 --> 01:29:16,980
perspective on this I think that um

2076
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,020
yeah

2077
01:29:25,729 --> 01:29:21,480
it's not to say that there might be

2078
01:29:27,950 --> 01:29:25,739
some attempt at uh you know an agenda

2079
01:29:30,649 --> 01:29:27,960
you know like a certain agenda wanting

2080
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:30,659
to win the day basically but I don't

2081
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:32,520
know that it plays out in the way that

2082
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:35,940
like a human conflict plays out

2083
01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:38,580
um you know I think that um what I'd

2084
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:40,020
like to think is a better way to put it

2085
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,940
I'd like to think that these other

2086
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:44,400
entities have a different perspective on

2087
01:29:51,169 --> 01:29:46,800
conflict than we do that doesn't involve

2088
01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:51,179
pointy objects or you know Annihilation

2089
01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:56,520
um so yeah I I I'm gonna say no

2090
01:30:01,970 --> 01:29:58,440
good one man I told you I was breaking a

2091
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:01,980
rule here oh my God dibs well I think

2092
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,400
that Hollywood can talk to

2093
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:07,620
um Ross colthard about the spears

2094
01:30:13,310 --> 01:30:10,980
tomorrow because the Spheres are part of

2095
01:30:16,010 --> 01:30:13,320
a theory that the entire planet's being

2096
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:16,020
protected by a guarding system

2097
01:30:21,169 --> 01:30:18,900
by I think it's Patrick Jackson is the

2098
01:30:22,729 --> 01:30:21,179
one who has this Theory

2099
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:22,739
um so he thinks that it's already

2100
01:30:27,169 --> 01:30:25,440
happening that one group set that up to

2101
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:27,179
protect us

2102
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:28,860
um and I have to think about the wood

2103
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:31,380
carving I think it was the 1500s

2104
01:30:36,530 --> 01:30:33,960
Nuremberg where they saw a battle

2105
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:36,540
occurring in the sky and other accounts

2106
01:30:41,209 --> 01:30:38,760
that people have described where

2107
01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:41,219
something has um occurred that looked

2108
01:30:46,250 --> 01:30:44,100
like a battle in the sky and So my

2109
01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:46,260
answer is I do think yes and I think

2110
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:48,300
it's already happening

2111
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,340
wow I see I didn't even know there was

2112
01:30:54,649 --> 01:30:52,320
anything in this question I just was

2113
01:30:57,169 --> 01:30:54,659
throwing it out there to see if if uh if

2114
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:57,179
there's anything to it so uh thank you

2115
01:31:02,510 --> 01:30:59,340
for Illuminating uh through all your

2116
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:02,520
research Debs uh and now we got to go

2117
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:04,920
with cabbie goodbyes

2118
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,400
you want to start us off dibs

2119
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:10,320
well thank you Holly for coming and

2120
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:12,840
talking to us today I super appreciate

2121
01:31:17,870 --> 01:31:16,080
your Insight and your work and your you

2122
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:17,880
know your mission to get people to talk

2123
01:31:22,669 --> 01:31:20,639
about this love it and um you're just

2124
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:22,679
amazing and your cat ears

2125
01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:24,170
love them

2126
01:31:27,709 --> 01:31:26,280
[Laughter]

2127
01:31:30,169 --> 01:31:27,719
absolutely you and your cat ears are

2128
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,179
welcome back anytime and uh we look

2129
01:31:34,430 --> 01:31:32,159
forward to doing that soon maybe another

2130
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:34,440
round table in the future a British

2131
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:36,420
Invasion I think DJ maybe in the future

2132
01:31:40,610 --> 01:31:39,300
yeah sure we can get get that going

2133
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:40,620
um and just want to encourage you to

2134
01:31:44,570 --> 01:31:42,000
continue to do the great work that

2135
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:44,580
you've already been doing uh we you know

2136
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:45,960
are supporting you from the sidelines

2137
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:47,940
and look forward to the things that will

2138
01:31:54,169 --> 01:31:50,580
come from all of your efforts

2139
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:54,179
thank you yeah Holly and for if uh when

2140
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:56,340
we do plan this round table it would be

2141
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,199
great if you could uh get us somebody

2142
01:32:03,229 --> 01:32:00,719
from Ireland we would really want to be

2143
01:32:05,810 --> 01:32:03,239
get someone from Ireland to be part of

2144
01:32:09,169 --> 01:32:05,820
this uh we've already got Dan from Wales

2145
01:32:10,729 --> 01:32:09,179
so I guess he counts as Welsh uh but but

2146
01:32:12,649 --> 01:32:10,739
yeah I would love to get somebody from

2147
01:32:14,510 --> 01:32:12,659
Ireland to to be part of it that would

2148
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,520
be awesome

2149
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:17,040
um just the person as well just the

2150
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,040
person who you will adore awesome that

2151
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:22,320
that'd be great so yeah we gotta start

2152
01:32:26,030 --> 01:32:24,600
planning gotta come up with uh well if

2153
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:26,040
we're gonna have someone Ireland you

2154
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:27,900
know q2's got to be one

2155
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:30,000
I think not I think we did YouTube last

2156
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,580
time so we got we gotta find uh some

2157
01:32:37,729 --> 01:32:35,040
other groups uh maybe Van Morrison or

2158
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:37,739
something uh but anyway uh Holly yeah

2159
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:39,540
it's been a pleasure being your friend

2160
01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:43,020
and getting to communicate with you and

2161
01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:45,420
just uh feel your spirit I know the

2162
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,060
community does and you really resonate

2163
01:32:54,770 --> 01:32:51,120
with so many people

2164
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:54,780
um and uh I'm glad this is sort of long

2165
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:57,600
overdue I'm glad that uh we finally got

2166
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:00,719
this this done and uh it's just an honor

2167
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:03,540
to be your friend and and to uh be able

2168
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,239
to collaborate with you so thank you so

2169
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,360
much for coming and joining uh cab today

2170
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,520
we'll definitely see you again for sure

2171
01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:13,199
and obviously you'll be back for the

2172
01:33:18,169 --> 01:33:16,380
holiday party again so uh on behalf of

2173
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:18,179
uh do you have anything I don't I'm

2174
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,560
sorry I didn't want to interrupt you but

2175
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:22,080
thank you yeah thank you so much for

2176
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:24,179
having me on you know I I joined this

2177
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:28,320
community fairly recently and I've been

2178
01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:30,840
um welcomed with open arms a couple of

2179
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:32,520
peculiar looks

2180
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:35,040
um but more so open arms and I'm

2181
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:37,320
grateful that I get to share

2182
01:33:45,950 --> 01:33:42,840
Soul I'm grateful that I get to learn

2183
01:33:48,410 --> 01:33:45,960
I'm grateful that I get to be have my

2184
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:48,420
views challenged and my world view

2185
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,159
um we can debate things openly and

2186
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:51,600
honestly and I think you guys are all

2187
01:33:57,169 --> 01:33:54,300
doing phenomenal things and you thanks

2188
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,179
for the love thanks for the support and

2189
01:34:00,410 --> 01:33:59,040
um we've got a lot to come in the next

2190
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:00,420
couple of months

2191
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:02,940
um yeah I've got a few tricks up my

2192
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,560
sleeve yet so we shall see

2193
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:09,360
okay one last time one last time we

2194
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:20,810
for having me I um feel that I'm gonna

2195
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:22,980
have to up the ante next time so I might

2196
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:24,960
have like a deer next to me or something

2197
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:27,000
that would be nice yeah bring a deer

2198
01:34:32,330 --> 01:34:30,480
into the crib man uh uh it you know that

2199
01:34:34,810 --> 01:34:32,340
was great you know we'll continue to

2200
01:34:37,550 --> 01:34:34,820
bring conversations like this this

2201
01:34:39,709 --> 01:34:37,560
cabbie community outreach Holly do you

2202
01:34:41,629 --> 01:34:39,719
want to uh talk about a show that you're

2203
01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:41,639
your show real quick are you on a show

2204
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:44,100
at the at the minute

2205
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:46,260
um no this we are this things are

2206
01:34:51,709 --> 01:34:49,080
changing basically around me but

2207
01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:51,719
um we Deb's mentioned it I am holding a

2208
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:53,699
space tomorrow with Russell first

2209
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:55,920
tomorrow

2210
01:35:01,850 --> 01:34:58,800
um and yeah there's more to come on many

2211
01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:01,860
many fronts so find me in Twitter on the

2212
01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:03,719
Twitter spaces quite regularly now at

2213
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:06,440
that UAP Girl Gotta put that in for the

2214
01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:10,400
self-promotion can I get it

2215
01:35:18,649 --> 01:35:12,300
thank you

2216
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:18,659
I'll I will try to get up in that space

2217
01:35:24,410 --> 01:35:21,120
and and talk talk some trash with you

2218
01:35:26,810 --> 01:35:24,420
and Russ call Tat tomorrow uh if you

2219
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:26,820
would give us uh give cab a like give us

2220
01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:30,300
a subscribe on the YouTube If you would

2221
01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:32,100
and then give us a rating on whatever

2222
01:35:36,169 --> 01:35:34,380
your favorite podcast app and the only

2223
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:36,179
reason we ask you that is just so that

2224
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:38,460
uh when prospective guests when we ask

2225
01:35:42,169 --> 01:35:39,960
them to come on that they say yes

2226
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:42,179
because uh we're not monetized in any

2227
01:35:46,669 --> 01:35:44,820
way shape or form uh thank you Jules for

2228
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:46,679
doing what you've done did thank you for

2229
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:49,080
helping us out uh with the Bigfoot stuff

2230
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:52,080
as well this week and on behalf of Jules

2231
01:35:57,229 --> 01:35:53,520
Hollywood

2232
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:57,239
uh my homie Deb and of course money

2233
01:36:03,950 --> 01:36:00,840
Nathan this is DJ Singh peace out one

2234
01:36:05,450 --> 01:36:03,960
love we'll see you down the road and as

2235
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:05,460
always we're wondering what's up around

2236
01:36:14,350 --> 01:36:06,690
the bend